Gluttony and the guillotine

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If you live in the continental United States and get bitten by a bat, or a raccoon, or a fox, your doctor will probably advise you to go and get rabies shots. Rabies isn’t common, but it’s common enough that about 100,000 people go through the preventative protocol every year.

This process is no joke. First you do a PCR test, then you get injected with immunoglobin at every site where the skin is punctured, and then you undergo a series of four vaccine shots over the course of two weeks. Side effects of these drugs include soreness, headaches, nausea and dizziness.

While this might sound bad, it’s a lot less bad than catching rabies, which starts by giving you flu-like symptoms and a tingling sensation, before swelling the brain, making you terrified of water, and causing explosive anxiety and confusion until it completely overtakes your nervous system and paralyzes you until you cannot breathe. The fatality rate for those who display clinical symptoms is 100%.

These rabies protocols help you avoid certain death, but there’s somebody for whom it’s even worse: the beast that bit you. If the little critter that bit you has rabies, it will definitely die. But if you catch a little critter that’s suspected of carrying the disease, it will be taken away to get tested—which involves euthanizing it before examining its organs and biochemistry for evidence. Thousands of animals are tested this way for rabies every year in the US, but only about 5% of those that are killed actually turn out to have had the disease. Rabies is fatal; testing animals for rabies is fatal.

It’s a paradox: To save the thing, you have to destroy the thing.

The latest controversy in AI is the revelation that Anthropic bought millions of old books, chopped them up, and then scanned the pages in to its systems. Large Language Models have an insatiable appetite for words, and this scheme—codenamed Project Panama, according to court documents—was seen as the best way to slurp in high-quality information into the maw of Claude. Insiders knew this would be controversial.

“Project Panama is our effort to destructively scan all the books in the world,” one Anthropic staffer wrote in an internal planning document, as reported by the Washington Post. “We don’t want it to be known that we are working on this.”

Partly it was just brute force, enacted under the influence of the scale drug. Why not devour books by the truckload?

It was also an end-run around the information ecosystem, deliberately cutting out authors and publishers by scooping up old titles; paying pennies for information that otherwise had to be acquired through more expensive means and agreements. And while the documents about Project Panama are from a while back, it’s not clear that this feeding frenzy has actually stopped. Whether it’s Anthropic or not, booksellers around the world are still reporting a puzzling surge in sales of hard-to-find titles.

“Is it just me, or has there been an uptick in the number of AutoBuy orders since the tail end of last year?” one bookseller wrote, according to 404 Media. “Any comment on what is happening? Is an AI going to read every single book? Any insight into how the selections are made? They seem to vary quite a bit in condition, format (hardcover and softcover), price and so on.”

In the end, though, the thing that really seemed to offend people wasn’t the machine’s hunger for words, or how the plan deliberately sidestepped intellectual rights; folks were most outraged by the actual, physical act of taking the book to pieces in order to scan it. The spine, sliced off by a huge guillotine; the pages, separated. The book, pulped. In Anthropic’s mind, saving the thing, requires destroying the thing.

Ripping books apart is only one of the never-ending cavalcade of reasons to dislike AI. (Please choose from a menu that includes unfairly profiting from the stolen work of artists and creators; the devastating environmental impacts; the sweeping layoffs driven by AI-pilled CEOs; the rogue cyberattacks enabled by security models; the overinflated financial investments made by desperate capitalists. They keep adding more, too: Just in the last few days, we’ve had the boggle-eyed claims that we should parent our children using ChatGPT-generated podcasts and that “we are now in the Singularity.” ) If you weren’t already skeptical of this new technology, its fans and proponents are hell bent on giving you more material.

But destroying books seemed to catch a certain wave. It was a sort of desecration, an offense against the soul.

“I personally have mixed feelings about all of this,” the bookseller, who suspects he’s sold hundreds of books to AI companies for training data, told me. “It benefits me financially as well as by clearing out old inventory that is otherwise unlikely to sell. I’ve been well-suited for these sales with inventory from overseas and foreign language books. On the other hand, I don’t like the end-use, and I don’t like that uncommon books are being pulped.”

And all of this was spiced up, of course, by Anthropic’s mustache-twiddling secrecy. We all love a good villain.

Here’s the thing, though. Books get destroyed all the time.

One of the sad and underreported facts about the publishing industry is how terrifically wasteful it is. Publishers will often demand that unsold copies are pulped, shredded, or ripped apart. Even in preservation efforts, books are often torn up since paper is a fragile medium.

Historically, books were not always seen as valuable. Expensive books have routinely gone uncared for, and been mistreated more often than dealt with reverently. Samuel Johnson used his copy of Shakespeare’s first folio as a coffee coaster. Dylan Thomas mislaid his manuscript of Under Milk Wood in a pub in London and nearly lost it forever. Byron’s memoirs didn’t even make it to the printed page, burned in the fireplace by his friends who deemed their contents too scandalous.

Today, carnage is even part of the business model and destruction is baked in to the balance sheet. Publishers and distributors routinely destroy books, ripping off their covers, pulping them, or otherwise rendering them unusable for all manner of reasons that don’t always make much sense from the outside.

It was deeply upsetting to me the first time I realized that hundreds of copies of a magazine we had made and lavishly paid to be printed would end up being pulped by the distributor if they weren’t sold. The contract we had to sign to get them to send our work to bookstores obliged them to commit this barbarous act; they could not return them to me, they could not send them elsewhere, they had to be simply destroyed. It felt like punishment.

While it is a perverse financial logic at play, this attitude is also a recognition that books are just objects. They are not holy relics. They are produced en masse, distributed widely, let out into the world to roam wild. I love books, but I do not treat them particularly nicely. When we read we consume, in more ways than one. We crack the spine, we make notes in the margins, we turn the pages until they fall out, we keep them in the sun until they yellow and break down.

There are good reasons we prize books. They represent knowledge. Banning them is a measure of intolerance, and burning them is a visible symptom of authoritarianism. But that is what they represent, not what they are. The information and the physical form are related but different.

Looking at it this way, Anthropic’s plan seems to be less fascistic than simply a business finding new ways to exploit a resource. After all, as far as I can tell, the company isn’t destroying “valuable” books, or even particularly old ones, nor is it disrespecting knowledge. Most of the books it is ingesting are out of print copies of textbooks, or work that’s unavailable in digital formats. It’s writing that is “correct” and untainted by the touch of AI—which is a delicious flavor combination if you’re an LLM with a garbage in, garbage out problem.

All that said, the fundamental premise of Anthropic’s approach is wrong.

You don’t have to destroy the thing to save the thing. You choose to do it.

You don’t have to kill animals to see if they’ve got rabies; it’s just cheaper and easier and less risky than running non-lethal tests. And you don’t have to destroy books to scan them. I remember when Google began its mass scanning project 20 years ago, which it had codenamed “Project Ocean” and announced at the Frankfurt Book Fair. People were freaked out at the prospect of millions of books suddenly being digitized, and I remember interviewing the head of the Bodleian Library—the great Oxford institution which was Google’s unlikely partner—and being stonewalled about the nature of the actual scanning system.

It turned out later that the company had developed a patented system to scan the books without destroying them, using infrared light to and measure the angle of the pages so that the words could be rendered inside the computer without the book’s spine having to be removed.

Before Google came on the scene, book scanning was a tedious process that sometimes resulted in the death of a book. The software used to scan books, called Optical Character Recognition software or OCR for short, required each page of the book to be flat. Now anyone who's ever opened a book knows it's next to impossible for a book to lie flat without some sort of device. One solution to the problem was to use glass plates that individually flattened each page, but this method wasn't very efficient. The other solution was to chop off the book's binding, but that method destroyed the book. How was one to go about scanning a book quickly and efficiently without destroying it?

This was two decades ago, proof that your machine can devour words without also making hard to find books a little bit harder to find.

Perhaps that’s one major difference. Anthropic’s most egregious offense may be that it has kept the results private, or at least filtered them through Claude rather than creating a library of scanned material that the public can access. They might not be burning books, but they are hiding them and profiting from them. And that is a move that’s worth a little frothing at the mouth.

Stay classy

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Aylsham Police Station amid a report of an arrest in Aylsham. REUTERS/Phil Noble

I will read pretty much anything Andrew O’Hagan writes in the London Review of Books (which is a subset of “I’ll read pretty much anything in the London Review of Books” also a true statement) but I particularly enjoyed his demolition of Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor, formerly known as Prince Andrew of The Epstein Files, the Duke of Pizza Express, or the more prosaic Detainee A.

The piece—headlined “Stay Classy”—is a good look at the entire illbegotten nature of the monarchy, the intersection of stupidity and venality, and the entirely unshocking way in which powerful people are allowed to commit sexual offenses (and the slightly more shocking fact that they are often allowed to carry on committing them once they’ve been busted.)

And it starts off with a doozy of a first sentence.

“In the days​ of disco and Aramis 900, when the relationship between entitlement and sleaze could still seem novel, Prince Andrew came across like the more relatable sort of wanker.”

He was, O’Hagan points out, his mother’s favorite—and she essentially ran protection for him as he became enmired in scandal after scandal. “The worse he got, the more she wanted to camouflage him with medals, rosettes and ribbons,” he writes. “The irony is that he treated her as badly as he treated every other woman, flogging Sunninghill, the house she gave him as a wedding present, to the son-in-law of the president of Kazakhstan for £3 million over the asking price.”

Perhaps not as badly as every other woman, but the point stands.

I encourage you to read the whole thing.

Craig Mod: “We’re probably doing a lot of things the wrong way”

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Author Craig Mod on a zoom call, wearing a dark grey baseball cap and light grey long sleeve shirt, his fingers to his head in a gesture of mind explodeyness.

A few weeks back I had a really stimulating conversation with Craig Mod, the bookmaker, writer, photographer and author of Things Become Other Things: A Walking Memoir, which was February’s book of the month at Curious Reading Club.

One thing I mentioned in our chat was that Craig actually has had a profound impact on my career, in a way he probably doesn’t remember and certainly didn’t expect. Maybe 15 years ago I bumped into him at a party in a back yard in Brighton, and he suggested we try crowdfunding to get Matter off the ground. Indeed, he was an early cheerleader for the project, and wrote about it as a flagbearer for the idea of “subcompact publishing.”

That’s a trend that has had its ups and downs, but you only have to look at Substack (urgh) and other platforms to see that it really taps into something we’ve seen develop in the media environment for most of a generation now. I think the prospect and necessity of subcompact publishing become more true as we’ve seen big media fragment and decline.

Anyway, that piece of advice led to a decision, and that decision led to a lot of complicated things, but it absolutely changed the course of my life in a positive way.

In our conversation we discussed all manner of things: writing his book, making books, mentors, men and women, the comparisons between Japan and America, even the yakuza… there’s really a lot in there.

I hope you enjoy the full interview.

The tyranny of advertising

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Not quite 18 months ago, Sam Altman said that OpenAI putting ads in ChatGPT was definitely certainly probably not a good idea.

“Ads plus AI is sort of uniquely unsettling to me,” he said at a Harvard event in October 2024. “I kind of think of ads as, like, a last resort for us for a business model. I would do it if it meant that was the only way to get everybody on the world—in the world—like, access to great services.”

Just a few weeks ago, Sam Altman said that OpenAI was putting ads into ChatGPT.

The last resort has thrown open its doors. And it still seems like it’s still probably not a good idea.

Now, I am not an expert in OpenAI’s business, or on the potential revenue that ChatGPT might be able to generate by sliding advertising into a machine that uses stolen words and inscrutable technology to generate false information. (If you want to know more about that stuff, perhaps read Ben Thompson or Ed Zitron or somebody else who is either more informed or funnier.)

But I am a human being who spends time on the internet, and therefore I do know that advertising is not just the last resort: it’s very much a problem rather than a solution.

I am also, as it goes, a human who can do basic mathematics. Therefore I know that if you’re hoping for ads to prop up your business’ projected $1.4 trillion in spending— which means we’re ultimately relying on ads to prop up the $3 trillion+ AI bubble which is in turn helping keep the stock market going, then advertising isn’t just a problem: it’s the domino that’s going to knock all the others over.

A quick note, though: I don’t hate advertising. As somebody who has worked in media for 25 years, I appreciate how important ads are to helping all kinds of businesses run. Big ads, small ads, personal ads, job ads. They all have a place. And let’s face it, they’re not going away any time soon. Plus, ads can be relevant, funny, entertaining and even poignant. The best ones stick with us, they become part of the culture. I quote lines from 1980s TV commercials as often as I quote The Princess Bride. Nor do I believe, unlike many newsies, that Craigslist killed newspapers by stealing their ads. I think newspapers were too greedy and inward-looking to realize the opportunity they were missing until it was too late.

But I also know that ads are everywhere. Really, everywhere.

We’re flooded with them. In the 32 years since the first banner ad hit the web and a full 23 years after Google bought AdSense and super-charged its business, ads have simply gotten more intrusive, more obnoxious and less valuable every single day.

By way of example, I looked at the first 10 posts in my feeds across a variety of websites.

My Instagram feed was 40% advertising (and this was after I suppressed some suggested posts.) Same with Facebook. Reddit was lower at 20% ads, but 30% were suggested posts—so fully half of the content wasn’t actually stuff I wanted to see. My LinkedIn feed, meanwhile, was a whopping 60% ads. Not only is it full of maniacs posting AI-generated hustle screeds; it’s full of maniacs paying to show me their AI-generated hustle screeds.

These are services that are meant to help us connect with other people, but in fact they are merely tubes that help pollute the information ecosystem.

Alternatively, go to almost any large scale news website and you’re bombarded with a thousand tiny ads trying—literally—to get in the way of your reading experience. I’m not even talking about the skeevy clickbait-only slop sites, I’m talking about the “respectable” mid-market news sites, your local channels, your upscale outlets with paywalls and lots of subscribers. Finding the information you are looking for requires dodging your way through a hail of shitty bullets.

During one of Medium‘s many pivots, we were searching for ways to make money from the business, and started building out advertising. (The first project there had actually been a paywall, since we had built our own version for the initial version of Matter.) But even a high-value ad network is still an ad network, which on the internet inevitably means being presented, eventually, with choices that put the best interests of readers and writers in conflict with the best interests of the bank. So we stopped doing it. I disagreed with Ev Williams on many things, but he was right on this.

I suppose what I’m saying is that ads are important, and we aren’t going to get rid of them any time soon, but that doesn’t mean they own us. They are always, always a slippery slope.

And the idea that in 2026 our entire economy is essentially reliant on a Potemkin city of AI companies, each one balanced on the precarious promise of ad revenue? I would have to agree with Sam Altman: that feels uniquely unsettling… and probably, definitely, certainly not a good idea.

Jennie Erin Smith: “I didn’t want researchers to spoon-feed me the story”

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Author Jennie Erin Smith on a Zoom call

What fun to talk with Jennie Erin Smith, the author of Valley of Forgetting: Alzheimer’s Families And The Search For A Cure, which was Curious Reading Club’s book of the month for January. It’s a really fascinating book about a major research trial in Colombia which focused on a huge group of people who carry a particular gene linked to early-onset Alzheimer’s.

We chatted about all manner of things, including the complexity (or not!) of her reporting, the hubris and honesty of the people in her story, writing stories about “great men” … and how her view of the subject changed along the way.

One of the most interesting areas of our conversation, and the book, is wrestling with the ethics of trials by Western drug companies in less wealthy populations. If the drug works, what guarantees are there that the people on the trial can still get access to the medicine they’ve been given? And who can fight for those people?

The only reason they were allowed to do this trial in Colombia is because they’ve done enough research to say that this drug could reasonably be distributed in Colombia: Colombia has the capacity to market and distribute this drug. Well, yeah, but to whom, right?

I’m in Medellin right now and there’s awesome clinics and awesome hospitals here that serve the middle classes and up. But for the type of people who are participating in this study, most of them are on public insurance…

So the idea was that this was ethical, that we could go forward with this because this drug could be distributed in Colombia and therefore we’re not experimenting on people who could not reasonably benefit from this therapy. I challenged that, and the pharma companies want to do more and more of that. They do a lot of work in Brazil. They do a lot of work overseas. And I think it’s really imperative on people in these countries, and the regulators, to say “Hey, what’s your plan for this? Are you going to market this here? What price do you want to put on it? Is this really feasible?” I think more people need to ask that question.

I think the interview is worth your time.

(And if you’re interested in signing up for Curious Reading Club, it’s easy to join.)

Preserving the past

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For Dweb Digest I wrote a short profile of the archivist Rick Prelinger, and his work to create decentralized copies of vast tranches of archival data alongside his friends and partners at the Internet Archive.

It was a lot of fun driving over to their East Bay warehouse and sitting down to talk to him and his team about how they find, clean, capture and share vast amounts of video taken from almost anywhere you can imagine. And particularly important given the Trump regime’s attempts to erase the past and rewrite the history books.

One of the issues both teams face is scale. The Prelinger Archives collection stands at maybe 40,000 videos (on top of 60,000 that were already donated to the Library of Congress), and it’s producing around 18 terabytes of video each week — too much for their current unoptimized decentralizing process. So right now, the team is producing smaller, more usable files for decentralization and keeping the higher-resolution originals elsewhere.
Preserving the Past on a Decentralized Future

Fun fact: the same location was home to the Democracy’s Library attempt to scan in huge amounts of government information before it was disappeared, which you may have seen via a live video feed. It was interesting to see them in the flesh!

David Baron: The Martians used to be the good guys

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December’s Curious Reading Club book is The Martians: The True Story of an Alien Craze That Captured Turn-of-the-Century America by former NPR science editor David Baron—a rollicking read about the gilded age’s obsession with aliens, and the space-obsessed Boston brahmin Percival Lowell who made it happen.

David’s book looks at how the craze took hold, what it meant, and how it fell apart… and why we’re still obsessed anyway.

I was particularly taken by the concept of Mars as a planet full of benevolent, evolved beings—something we discussed during our chat.

One of my great finds when I was studying newspapers is this article from 1909 that I quote in my book that was headlined “Questions Mars Might Answer”. There was all this discussion about different ways you might communicate with the Martians. And what were the questions people had for Mars? Well, you would think it would be “how do you dig canals efficiently?” or “what's the best way to build a flying machine?”

No. The questions for Mars were the deepest, most existential questions: Where does the soul go when you die? What is the meaning of life? How can we prevent human suffering? These were the questions for the Martians. So, you know, it didn't surprise me that you know that people really wanted the Martians to exist because they might come save us.

... That totally surprised me, because the most famous piece of fiction to come out of that whole craze was H.G. Wells’ The War of the Worlds, which was published in magazines in 1897, and came out as a book in 1898—although most a lot of people are more familiar with the Orson Welles radio adaptation from 1938.

He [H.G. Wells] imagined the Martians coming here to take over our planet and to prey on us. And so I imagined that people must have been really scared of the Martians, and that this reflected some widespread view—but absolutely not. I found very, very few comments in the papers of people being afraid of the Martians. 99.9% were looking at the Martians as at least benign, if not actively a force for good here on Earth.
David Baron

It was a really interesting conversation!

Tania Branigan: “Everybody thinks they would have been in the Resistance in wartime.”

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This month’s Curious Reading Club pick is Tania Branigan’s Red Memory: The Afterlives of China’s Cultural Revolution (WW Norton, 2023). It’s an absolutely fascinating look at people’s memories of this turbulent, horrific period of recent Chinese history, and how people wrestle with what they have done and what they didn’t do.

Tania is an old colleague of mine from the Guardian: I once visited her in Beijing while I was on assignment for this Wired story about Chinese hardware pirates. I’d spent the last couple of weeks in Shenzhen and Shanghai, which were strange in their own ways, but Beijing felt like another level of strange: an overwhelmingly large, smoggy, oddly circular city, full of construction sites and hidden alleyways, and far more alien to me than I expected.

My language was non-existent, so I’d gotten lots of things written down as a way of navigating the city—but when I showed the taxi driver the address of Tania’s place, he shrugged. It was clear that he didn’t know where to go.

I eventually ended up drawing a picture of the distinctive building, which the driver recognized after I attempted some cajoling and wild hand movements: his thick eyebrows leapt suddenly up and his crooked smile emerged as he realized exactly where this dumb Englishman was trying to go.

Anyway, I had a really great conversation with Tania about her book, about individual and collective memory, about how people censor their own memories as a way of coping with what’s happened.

When I began the book, I thought it was going to be much more about official suppression. And sometimes it was. But as I wrote, I realized more than more that, actually, a lot of it was about people wanting to not address it for very personal reasons, not just because they were scared of what the authorities might do. Often it was simply too painful to talk about, or they felt guilt in talking about it, or their version of what had happened was very different to the memories of other people around at that time.
—Tania Branigan

We also discussed what lessons there are for today, and how people imagine they’d act differently in times of strife. The evidence I see around me is that while everybody thinks they’d resist an authoritarian purge, or would refuse to take part in struggle sessions, many more people would become willing collaborators than they realize.

In the NYT: AI crosses the deepfake rubicon

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I have an opinion piece in the New York Times today about my extreme distaste for Sora, the new social video app from OpenAI that was built to create and share fake videos.

“At a time when we are surrounded by fakes and fabrications, Sora seems precisely designed to further erode the idea of objective truth. It is a jackhammer that demolishes the barrier between the real and the unreal. No new product has ever left me feeling so pessimistic.”

This article started because a friend showed me Sora 2 and it immediately generated an extreme and visceral reaction in me that I hadn’t experienced before. 

I’ve seen many terrible technologies and dumb products over the course of my career, and met many objectionable people too. But watching Sora in action created a very specific sense of sadness and disgust that genuinely surprised me, and I wanted to understand more about it. And I know many other folks have struggled to pin down the disquieting, upsetting feeling that AI tools can generate, and so wanted to attempt to capture what it was that left me so hollow.

(If you want a more fun exploration of the same topic, may I recommend The Oatmeal’s view on AI art?)

As is always the case when you’re under editorial constraints like time and space, there’s so much more I wanted to say in the Times essay. But the essential point is there: Whether intentional or not, it is a malicious act to build a system that is designed to inject deepfakes into the body politic. 

(This is especially unpleasant when you combine it with a worryingly minimalist approach to safety. The irony of OpenAI calling its post about guardrails “launching Sora responsibly” at the same time it’s letting people generate deepfakes of everyone from Hitler to MLK was not lost on me.)

In the essay, I mention Stafford Beer’s dictum of “the purpose of a system is what it does.”

Mentioning Beer, a somewhat peculiar British management professor from the 1950s, is the kind of thing that creates a certain response from some corners. It’s possible to nitpick or disagree with his approach or outlook, and I think his framework is extremely imperfect. But at its core, the lens is helpful: if a system keeps generating a particular outcome, it is essentially a system made to do that thing.

Cigarettes were once seen as a tasty indulgence; we now see them as cancer sticks. Modern political campaigns were ways to help affect wider societal change; now they basically are voracious, self-propelling engines for raising money. If Sora makes you second-guess what’s real and what’s not, that is in the most important way, what it is

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It’s worth saying in all this that I would not call myself stridently anti-AI. I tend to agree with the position outlined in Karen Hao’s excellent book Empire of AI, and recently outlined by Anil Dash in a shorter form: there are useful purposes for machine learning and deep neural networks, but this ain’t it. 

If you read Karen’s book, or Adam Becker’s More Everything Forever, a searing overview of the thinking that drives many of these companies, you will get a detailed understanding of the negative costs of the current, hyperscale approach to these technologies. We know about the environmental and energy drains that huge new AI data processing facilities put on society. We know about the endless appetite for more input, with AI models gobbling up vast tracts of information and content, often illegally or against people’s expressed wishes. And we know about the exploitation of labor and traumatic experiences of staff who train these neural networks, essentially nudging it to produce something that is “right” only by themselves constantly watching things that are very, very wrong. 

And then, of course, there are the fundamental weaknesses of systems that don’t understand information but simply regurgitate it—machines that produce “hallucinations” and make factually incorrect statements with a glib and unearned confidence. 

My issue with Sora is that hallucinations aren’t a bug; they are the point. And so that’s why I was left so unmoored by watching it in action. 

You had all the power and the technology, and this is what you do with it?

One last note: I’m donating my fee for the article to the International Rescue Committee’s Gaza relief efforts. I admire a lot of what the Times does and many of the folks who work for it, but I also think it has taken the wrong stance on a number of important issues—not least the genocide against the Palestinian people. I don’t think a donation is really a satisfactory way to go about things, but it’s what I decided to do.

Podcast: North Korean sleeper cells

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Change Agents is a podcast about terrorism, crime, intelligence, warfare and all manner of gnarly stuff, hosted by former Navy SEAL Andy Stumpf. Let’s just say it’s not my normal audience!

But I joined Andy recently for a conversation about the North Korean pretender scam.

(See my recent story in Wired or read the background post for more context.)

I haven’t watch the whole thing back, but I think I did a pretty good job of explaining the way this attack works and its dangers.