Change Agents is a podcast about terrorism, crime, intelligence, warfare and all manner of gnarly stuff, hosted by former Navy SEAL Andy Stumpf. Let’s just say it’s not my normal audience!

But I joined Andy recently for a conversation about the North Korean pretender scam.

(See my recent story in Wired or read the background post for more context.)

I haven’t watch the whole thing back, but I think I did a pretty good job of explaining the way this attack works and its dangers.